Anyone heard of it or saw it, or have any ideas of how the heck they built these things, how long it took, etc?
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eskimoboy |
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Any ideas? I saw a preview to a tv show, like Nova or something where they say they have it figured out [again]
Anyone heard of it or saw it, or have any ideas of how the heck they built these things, how long it took, etc? |
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Hillbilly NC |
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I thought everybody knew that they used the tractor beams on the UFOs to lift the rocks................
Save the Cro-Magnons
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eskimoboy |
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It seems almost impossible but the proof is there. I did some web searching on it, and everything from kites, to sand ramps are mentioned as possibilitys. I think it is amazing that with all our seemingly techno advances that we could not come close to building something like that today. |
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trailingedgetechnology |
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Quote: ???? ![]() One of 161 large, "super lift" sections being placed in position on a modern aircraft carrier. This section, alone, weighs 780 tons ! The carrier will house a small city, carry, launch, and retrieve a fleet of aircraft, and ... float while doing so. Math, mass, and engineering that makes the pyramids look like a child's pile of rocks. |
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TallCotton |
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Don't think for one minute that we couldn't build it. It hasn't been done recently because no one powerful enough could see a way to make money from doing it. If there was enough money in it there would be a pyramid every few miles.
Human lives were cheap back then, and many were thrown at those projects. The mechanics of processing the materials and erecting the pyramids aren't magic. The real magic is in the manipulation of the people that did the labor. Rich and powerful people like cheap lives. They can accomplish a lot with such a resource available. They will do much unpleasantness to procure such a resource and even more unsavory things to preserve it. Can you see a parallel to todays immigration situation in the United States? Or, do you think a war could be waged with out cheap human lives? In some one's eyes, I'm just a human resource with a calculated value. So are you... |
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eskimoboy |
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Awhile back the japanese tried to build a 35 foot replica of the great pyramid, and failed.
I repeat, it cannot be done, not with all the diamond saws, cranes and bulldozers and computers we possess. Believe me, if it could be done- it would be done, on a smaller scale perhaps, but we don't even know how They did it, much less do it ourselves. |
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Mister Owl |
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Youtube video link
The video addresses Stonehenge rather than the pyramids, but does illustrate what one person can do with the right techniques. My experience is that many engineers can get locked into a way of thinking so as to overlook simplier and sometimes even more obvious methods. Hootie addendum: EB, the program you may be thinking of was from the BBC and entitled (strangely enough) Building the Great Pyramid. I believe this article is related. BBC link |
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Coyotlviejo |
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I just heard the other day that the pyramids are the most mathematically correct structures known.
Coyo~ |
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KsSidewinder |
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Well put. You are obviously not niave. Can someone say Nephilim.
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eskimoboy |
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Hootie, seen that video. Very very good one.
Those old boys knew things that we do not. It wasn't magic, it wasn't extraterrestrial. But it was damn clever, that's for sure! You know one thing that really gets my goat- when they have these shows on tv where they look inside the pyramid and they say " ok, here is a tunnel that they started, then they changed their mind and went the other way.." You know why can't they just admit that they don't have a clue what the f%*$ it was for? I seriously doubt there were any mistakes that size or that 'part way thru they changed their minds' lol Almost 4,000 years ago, and we have not built anything close to being that impressive. Sure maybe taller... that's no big deal- and it sure aen't a gonna last 4k |
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eskimoboy |
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THE
GREAT PYRAMID FACTS ABOUT THE GREAT PYRAMID: The Great Pyramid is the most remarkable building in existence on the face of our planet today. It was built with such precision that our current technology cannot replicate it. This pyramid is so precisely constructed that until recently (with the advent of laser measuring equipment) scientists were not able to discover some it's subtle symmetries (not to mention duplicate them). Among other aspects, there are also very exact geometric relationships between all the structures in the pyramid complex at Giza. It is facts such as these that should raise questions as to the commonly accepted (and mostly mistaken) interpretations of it's purpose, history and construction, as well as the history of our society (and especially the so-called 'pre-history' of mankind). There are many answers out there, all you have to do is look. Here are some facts that have recently been re-discovered about this structure... General: The pyramid is estimated to have about 2 300 000 stone blocks weighing from 2-30 Tons each with some weighing as much as 70 tons. There is so much stone mass in the pyramid that the interior temperature is constant and equals the average temperature of the Earth, 20 Degrees Celsius. Two types of limestone were used for construction. A soft limestone either pure or nummulitic was used for the bulk of the core blocks and a hard white limestone for the mantle. Hard limestone becomes more polished with age. The base of the pyramid covers 55 000m2 (592 000 ft2) with each side greater than 20 000m2 (218 000 ft2) in area. The outer mantle was composed of 144 000 casing stones, all highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing about 15 tons each. The average casing stone on the lowest level was 5 ft. long by 5 ft. high by 6 ft. deep and weighed 15 tons. The mortar used is of an unknown origin. It has been analyzed and it's chemical composition is known but it can't be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today. The cornerstone foundations of the pyramid have ball and socket construction capable of dealing with heat expansion and Earthquakes. There are no hieroglyphics or writing in the Great Pyramid. With the mantle in place, the Great Pyramid could be seen from the mountains in Israel and probably the moon as well. It's polished surfaces would have reflected light like a beacon. Aligned True North: The Great Pyramid is the most accurately aligned structure in existence and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. The position of the North Pole moves over time and the pyramid was exactly aligned at one time. Centre of Land Mass: The Great Pyramid is located almost at the centre of the land mass of the Earth. At one stage in it's history it may certainly have been. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the Earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid. The relationship between Pi () and Phi () is expressed in the fundamental proportions of the Great Pyramid. Numbers of relevance: The length of a base is 9131 Pyramid Inches from corner to corner in a straight line. The length of a base side at the base socket level is 9 131 Pyramid Inches or 365.24 Pyramid Cubits. The length of a base side at sidereal socket level is 9 131.4 Pyramid Inches or 365.256 Pyramid Cubits. The length of the perimeter at the sidereal socket level is 36 525.63629 Pyramid Inches. The perfect formula height of the pyramid including the missing apex is 5 813.2355653763 Pyramid Inches, calculated from perimeter of base divided by 2 Pyramid Inches. The height to the missing apex is 5 812.98 Pyramid Inches. The volume of the pyramid is: V = 1/3 base area x height = 161559817000 cubic Pyramid Inches = 10339828.3 cubic Pyramid Cubits. [(5813.2355653 Pyramid Inches)/3 * 9 131 Pyramid Inches * 9 131 Pyramid Inches] Precision of engineering: The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way. The centres of the four sides are indented with an extraordinary degree of precision forming the only 8 sided pyramid. The effect is not visible from the ground or from a distance but only from the air, and then only under the proper lighting conditions. The granite coffer in the "King's Chamber" is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction. Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons. The coffer was sawn out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force. The Great Pyramid had a swivel door entrance at one time. Swivel doors were found in only two other pyramids: Khufu's father and grandfather, Sneferu and Huni, respectively. It is reported that when the pyramid was first broken into that the swivel door, weighing some 20 tons, was so well balanced that it could be opened by pushing out from the inside with only minimal force, but when closed, was so perfect a fit that it could scarcely be detected and there was not enough crack or crevice around the edges to gain a grasp from the outside. If the height of the pyramid is taken as the radius of a circle, then the circumference of this circle is the same as the perimeter of the base. This provided the complimentary squaring of a circle and circling of a square. The key to this relationship is knowledge of the value of Pi and designing the angle of the pyramid to be exactly 51 degrees, 51 minutes, and 14.3 seconds. Embedded Constants: Tropical Year or Calendar Year: The length of a base side is 9131 Pyramid Inches measured at the mean socket level, or 365.24 Pyramid Cubits, which is the number of days in a year [9 131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits]. The perimeter of the base divided by 100 = 365.24, the number of days in a year. [9 131 Pyramid Inches * 4 / 100, accurate to 5 digits] Tropical Year: The length of the Antechamber used as the diameter of a circle produces a circumference of 365.242 (accurate to 6 digits). Tropical Year: The ratio of the lengths of the Grand Gallery to the solid diagonal of the King's Chamber times 100 equals the number of days in a tropical year. [(1 881.5985600 / 51.516461) * 100 = 365.242200, accurate to 8 digits] Sidereal Year: The length of the antechamber of the King's Chamber times Pi = length of a sidereal year [116.26471 Pyramid Inches * 3.14159 = 365.25636 days, accurate to 8 digits] Sidereal Year: The length of a base side at sidereal socket level is 365.256 Pyramid Cubits. [accurate to 6 digits] Mean Distance to the Sun: Half of the length of the diagonal of the base times 10^6 = average distance to the sun Mean Distance to Sun: The height of the pyramid times 10^9 represents the mean radius of the Earth's orbit around the sun, or Astronomical Unit (AU). [5813.235565376 Pyramid Inches x 10^9 = 91848816.9 miles] Mean Distance to Moon: The length of the Jubilee passage times 7 times 10^7 is the mean distance to the moon. [215.973053 Pyramid Inches * 7 * 10^7 = 1.5118e10 Pyramid Inches = 238,865 miles] Sun's Radius: Twice the perimeter of the bottom of the granite coffer times 10^8 is the sun's mean radius. [270.45378502 Pyramid Inches* 10^8 = 427316 miles] Earth's Polar Radius: The Sacred Cubit times 10^7 = polar radius of the Earth (distance from North Pole to Earth's centre) [25 Pyramid Inches * 10^7 * (1.001081 in / 1 Pyramid Inches) * (1 ft / 12 in) * (1 mi/ 5280 ft) = 3950 miles] Earth's Polar Radius: The Pyramid embodies a scale ratio of 1/43200. The height * 43200 = 3938.685 miles, which is the polar radius of the Earth to within 11 mi. Radius of the Earth: The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the Earth. Equatorial Circumference of the Earth: The Pyramid embodies a scale ratio of 1/43200. The perimeter of the base * 43200 = 24,734.94 miles, which is within 170 miles of the equatorial circumference of the Earth. Earth's Volume: The product of the pyramid's volume and density times 10^15 equals the ratio of volume to density of the Earth. [10339823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 * 10^15 = 4.21760772 x 10^21 cubic cubits = 259.93 x 10^9 cubic miles] Earth's Mass: Mass of the pyramid = volume * density = 10339823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 Earth density = 4217497. The mass converted to pyramid tons = 4217607.72 * 1.25 = 5,272,010 pyramid tons. Since the mean density of the Earth was defined as 1.0, then the mass of the Earth is 10^15 times the mass in pyramid tons = 5.272 x 10^21 pyramid tons = 5.99 x 10^24 Kg Speed of Earth around the Sun: The Pyramid Inch times 10^8 = the speed of the Earth around the sun, circa 2600BCE Mass of the Earth: The weight of the pyramid is estimated at 5955000 tons. Multiplied by 10^8 gives a reasonable estimate of the Earth's mass. Average Land Height: The average height of land above sea level for the Earth is 5449 inches. This is also the height of the pyramid. The Light Equation: The height of the Great Pyramid, minus the height of the capstone represents one millionth the time it takes light to travel the mean radius of the Earth's orbit around the sun (1 astronomical unit) using 1 Pyramid Inch equals 24 hours (mean solar day). [(5813.2355653 - 103.0369176) / 10^6 = .0057101986+ days = 493.36116 seconds = 8 minutes, 13.36 seconds] The Velocity of Light: With distance of one A.U. known and the transit time of light for this same distance the velocity of light can be found. [91848816.9 miles / 493.36+ seconds = 186169.5 miles/sec] The Sun's Parallax: The size of the Earth as viewed from the Sun and expressed as an angle and generally taken to be 1/2 the diameter at the equator (Solar Equatorial Parallax) is 8.9008091 seconds of arc using 91848817 miles as the mean distance to the sun and 3963.4914 miles as the equatorial radius. The distance between the mean socket level and the height of the levelled bedrock is 8.9008 Pyramid Inches. Astronomical: The Descending Passage pointed to the pole star Alpha Draconis, circa 2170-2144BCE. This was the North Star at that point in time. No other star has aligned with the passage since then. The 344ft length of the Descending Passage provides an angle of view of only +/- 1/3 of a degree. Alpha Draconis has not been in alignment for thousands of years. The next alignment will be with the North Star, Polaris, in about 2004CE. Polaris in Greek means "Satan". The southern shaft in the King's Chamber (45 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) in the constellation Orion, circa 2450BCE The Orion constellation was associated with the Egyptian god Osiris. No other star aligned with this shaft during that Epoch. The northern shaft in the King's Chamber (32 deg, 28 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Alpha Draconis, circa 2450BCE The southern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 30 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Sirius, circa 2450BCE Sirius was associated with the Egyptian goddess Isis and is also part of a unique ceremony practiced by the African Dogon tribe. The northern shaft in the Queen's Chamber (39 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Ursa Minor, circa 2450BCE Pyramids mirror Orion Constellation: The pyramid positions on the ground are a reflection of the positions of the stars in the constellation Orion circa 10400BCE Five of the 7 brightest stars have pyramid equivalents: The 3 great pyramids of Khufu, Khafra, and Menkaura for the belt of Orion, the pyramid of Nebka at Abu Rawash corresponds to the star Saiph, the pyramid at Zawat al Aryan corresponds to the star Bellatrix. The only two missing star positions are for Betelgeuse and Rigel. Marks Spring Equinox: Due to the angle of the sides of the pyramid vs. it's latitude, it casts no shadow at noon during the spring equinox. Precession of the Equinoxes: The sum of the pyramid's two base diagonals in Pyramid Inches = length of the Precession of the Equinoxes (25827 years) Precession of the Equinoxes: The distance from the ceiling of the King's Chamber to the apex of the pyramid = 4110.5 Pyramid Inches. Which is the radius of a circle whose circumference = the precession of the equinoxes. [4110.5 * 2 * Pyramid Inches = 25827] Precession of the Equinoxes: The perimeter of the 35th course of blocks, which is much thicker than any of the other courses, gives a figure for the precession of the equinoxes. |
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eskimoboy |
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Ok, so alot of the above is no doubt hype, so take it with a grain of salt, er..uh, sand
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Mister Owl |
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I'm skeptical by nature and so have to ask Eskimoboy where he got his information. Being impatient as well, I did a Google search on a few of the shorter sentences. All the references I looked at, while having the exact same information written the same way, are hosted upon what I'd call at best dubious websites. Some even reference the Art Bell radio show Dreamland as a source.
While Wikipedia isn't the best of sources, (and kids don't use it as a cite in your term papers) due to is "peer review" nature, is usually found to be rather accurate in the information provided there. Wiki link for the Great Pyramid Makes no mention of "Pyramid Cubits or "Pryamid Inches" as building units. Rather, the only time the terms appear is at the bottom of the article under Alternative theories . Quote: Wikipedia does supply some measurements under the title Layout the first paragraph of which is Quote: Hootie |
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eskimoboy |
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Hootie,
That's why I put in the post about the hype. I got my info same as you - web surf There is so much crap out there about this subject. I don't doubt there are some planetary things involved, but lets keep this more to what can be seen by the average joe and the sheer magnitude of the pyramid itself. It is one of the great wonders of the world, past and present. I am not an astronomer or scientist, or egyptologist. |
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meximike |
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I think Tall Cotton hit the nail on the head. Mike
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eskimoboy |
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So how do you think they made it? Log rollers and ropes and ramps? Or some sort of lever devices? No skyhook cranes thousands of years ago..
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MountainmanJack |
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I saw a program on one the science channels just awhile back on how they theorized about how the egyptians raised the obilisks using wind power. They built a wind sail/parachute type thingy and in 2 trys raised a huge stone obilisk easy as pie. Perhaps they used something similar for the pyramids.
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coogs |
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See, it was Bigfoot I tell ya.
TallCotton, I sure agree with what you say. Very sad, but true. Hopefully The Donald or someone of equally ominous character won't get any smart ideas. That would be dreadful. |
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eskimoboy |
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I am still in denial on this one
But where there is one bigfoot- there must be two, and where there is two there must be 100? .... |
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TallCotton |
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I am the killer of romance, ain't I?
As far as how the pyramids were built. It can't be said with certainty. The evidence is gone. But just because some crew in Japan couldn't make it happen doesn't mean that some other crew couldn't either. It was done... fact. By Atlanteans on flying porpoises with frikken lazer beams on their heads? Nah. By ordinary humans? I have no doubt. Those guys back then were ALL OVER astrology, and hooking up their major earthly works with Horus and the stars wasn't unusual. They knew 3D geometry as well as we do now. They understood basic physics and they understood the materials they were working with. Building with the level of precision seen at the great pyramid was a matter of very careful planning, layout and watching every minute step of the process. Imagine yourself an accomplished and very intelligent engineer. Many large and complex and ultimately successful projects under your belt. Now you're conscripted to oversee a project directly for the Pharaoh himself. You know he doesn't like excuses, or failure. You now are performing under the threat of death. Quite a motivator... Certainly would help me preserve my focus and attention to detail. I think these types of projects were "money is no object" projects also. They cost what ever they cost. The outcome was the goal, not the saving of pennies which is so large a part of any project performed today. All of the "seven wonders of the world", of which the Great Pyramid is one, are such projects. I live by the Boulder Dam. It is a truly a magnificent structure. What do you think it might have looked like if money was of absolutely no concern to the builders? It very well might have had a 300 foot tall "arts and crafts style" equivalent of a "Colossus of Rhodes" statue straddling the dam or something. Oh, and I think they used the gravel ramps method to deliver the stones, then just a solid working understanding of good old fashioned leverage and gravity and fulcrums and such. Lots of cheap human labor and an unlimited supply of money completed the mix. |
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eskimoboy |
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Good insights, Tallcotton.
One has to wonder at the time it took, and I think chances are the person or persons responsible for the mathematics/engineering did not live to see the project completed, maybe not their great-grandkids even. I can't imagine the amount of work that must of gone into just cutting one block and hauling it to the site, and I think they say it covers 13 acres or what would be about 7 new york city blocks at the base. I wonder if there has been a building project in history that has continued for so long? It's a great mystery! [and a darn good tourist attraction] |
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