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elk country rp		#21	[-]
Posts: 200 (06/16/09 12:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"SHINY" - i really like this word! i get sad when you talk about decommissioning the M9K, though.... i'm still holding tight to my feeling that when you do one with only a farrier's rasp (or any suitably serious rasp) and a scraper, you'll get your epiphany, Rob
CarvedTones		#22	[-]
Posts: 134 (06/16/09 2:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"Suitably serious" ? Is the Microplane set serious? What about the Nicholson/Cooprtools Woodcraaft rasp? They make those (Cooper) about 4 miles from me; buncha my neighbors will be bumnmed if they aren't serious tools... -Andy www.carvedtones.com
elk country rp		#23	[-]
Posts: 201 (06/16/09 4:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	the 4 way might be a tad wimpy for making a bow- that was the main thing i was getting at. seems like everyone who gets started in making bows tries to do it all with a little 4 way- until they learn better. i don't use my 4way much anymore. mostly i use the farrier's rasp, the chainsaw file, a small rattail, and my big roung bastard file. i have a full sized nicholson med/caorse rasp that i use to clean up tool marks from the farrier's rasp, too. i've never tried the Microplane set, but i assume it's like a shurform. i don't use my shurform much anymore either. nothing against it, the farrier's just does a better job for me.
CarvedTones		#24	[-]
Posts: 136 (06/16/09 4:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't have a 4 way. the Nicholson/Cooper Woodcraft model is the 8" one with the solid steel handle. It's 2 sided - a rounded rasp and a flat file. Seems very similar to a farrier's, I think, except it doesn't need a separate handle. Yes, the Microplane is a "new improved" surform. Sharper, better steel with interchangable blades with different profiles and different coarseness. Should be able to profile, cut nocks, smooth handle, etc and do all that removing a lot of wood quickly or slower with a better surface. Jeez - I should sell them... -Andy www.carvedtones.com
elk country rp		#25	[-]
Posts: 204 (06/16/09 5:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	i like the little 8" nicholson- it works great for cleaning up tool marks, but i wouldn't call it similar to a farrier's. like comparing an explorer to a suburban. i'm anxious to see how the microplanes work for you. i think there's some potential there.
NOMADIC PIRATE		#26	[-]
Posts: 1697 (06/16/09 6:43 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Rod wrote: Nothing quite so funny or quite so depressing as seeing the continued un-necessary complication of a primitive art form for the umpteenth time. All the gimmicks in the world are no substitute for developing an eye and a feel for it. Rod. ........Yes
DCM4		#27	[-]
Posts: 223 (06/17/09 4:57 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	On the other hand, having enjoyed unsolicited acclaim for having that "eye" for tiller, I find such endeavors fascinating and very informative. In particular I'd use such a device to plot the f/d curve for each limb of various bows. In each case I'd compare the disparity of f/d curves and look for a pattern to determine how or whether arrow pass placement effects the need for positive tiller, in effect learning how to optimize tunign. While the trial and error method serves one perfectly, I'd still like to understand better the underlying physics.
CarvedTones		#28	[-]
Posts: 143 (06/17/09 5:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	elk country rp wrote: i like the little 8" nicholson- it works great for cleaning up tool marks, but i wouldn't call it similar to a farrier's. like comparing an explorer to a suburban. i'm anxious to see how the microplanes work for you. i think there's some potential there. I think we might be talking about different models. The rounded rasp on the model I am talking about would not be suitable for cleaning up tool marks unless you mean some pretty big ridges where it was step one of two or three (DAMHIKT). It removes stock rapidly and leaves the wood feeling "furry". A few pulls over the beard of a carved tree spirit is a pretty cool effect. You need something to clean up after it, which the flat side is pretty good for. -Andy www.carvedtones.com
elk country rp		#29	[-]
Posts: 208 (06/17/09 7:54 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	i can make some pretty mean tool marks with this thing......i don't use the rounded side ot the nicholson very much. likewise, i mainly use the finer side of the farrier's, too
CarvedTones		#30	[-]
Posts: 147 (06/17/09 8:21 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yup, that is the tool of which I speak on the right. A bandsaw! Aha! I'm tellin' Manny! I am getting rid of my bandsaw. Not because I don't think they are useful, but because mine isn't very good and I am tired of fiddling with it and disappointed in the results. Anyway, I can file "farrier's rasp" under S for stuff-I-thought-I-knew-but-obviously-do-not. It's a very large folder in my mental filing system. I did not realize they were so honkin' big. -Andy www.carvedtones.com
elk country rp		#31	[-]
Posts: 215 (06/17/09 8:36 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	big & BEAUTIFUL! that's my most important shaping tool. the bandsaw came about because of my inability to find staves. i'm slowly acquiring some staves now, but most of my bow building is laminates- great practice & great performance. i'm trying to lessen my chances of ruining staves later on by making alot of laminates now while my stave pile is growing & curing.
CarvedTones		#32	[-]
Posts: 149 (06/17/09 10:01 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Can't find staves? They are easy to find around here. I have only been at this a little while and I am culling now, deciding my lesser ones will be carved into walking staffs. I have pretty much decided against going back to my sawyer for the bark slabs he offered because they will just be too dang much trouble. When I get the hang of this I will drop by and give him a bow just for being such a nice guy and mention to him that it sure would be nice if a couple of slabs were ripped into boards with bark on one side. In under a week, the Fiskars retractable (I think I called it folding before, but it actually retracts) pruning saw has proved to be a very worthy investment. It's only 6" long when retracted, but it cut through all those pecan staves in the other thread in short order. -Andy www.carvedtones.com

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