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Can someone tell me the relation between HawThorn,BlackThorn and WhiteThorn?

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Quest for fire	Can someone tell me the relation between HawThorn,BlackThorn and WhiteThorn?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2048 (05/19/09 1:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I know there are other plants and trees called BlackThorn and WhiteThorn. Apparently there are varieties of Hawthorns called both. Is the one called BlackThorn the same one they use for staves and Shillelags? Would a WhiteThorn work adequately well in that capcacity? Any info on seasoning them for shillelags would be appreciated. Any info on medicinal uses including LINKS to lore would be appreciated.
longfletch27		#1	[-]
Posts: 95 (05/19/09 5:13 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	blackthorn was the plant commonly known for making shillelaghs in ireland, but oak and other hardwoods was used also. the blackthorn sapling was dug up with the root bulb intact and the roots trimmed off leaving the root ball as the head of the club. the old ways of seasoning was to bury in a manure pile, or more commonly to coat with butter and hang in the chimney to season, causing the black color. i make shillelaghs and walking sticks alot with the root bulbs on, be sure to seal the root bulb while drying and store them in a warm dry area. iv ruined some nice looking oak ones that werent totally dry and the the root ball checked and the shaft too. i wish i could get some blackthorn to work with, i dont think it grows around here. bryan here is a link http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8823
Yotman		#2	[-]
Posts: 24 (05/19/09 8:18 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Could you please post some of your Shillelaghs and walking sticks. Maybe you could show us how it's done..
Quest for fire		#3	[-]
Posts: 2049 (05/23/09 12:37 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That is good info. I am still looking for links between, HawThorn,BlackThorn and WhiteThorn. Anything at all from the uses the wood is or was put to, the medicinal value and any links to folklore. Links only to folklore as it is best not to get into that here. I know HawThorn was used in times past to make privacy hedges, protect young trees and was highly respected for its medicinal value. Kevin
longfletch27		#4	[-]
Posts: 98 (05/27/09 3:32 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	heres some im working on, and finished lately...2 in the middle are flowering dogwood(club/shillelagh and walking stick) 2 on the outside are under construction( oak-sweetgum)
spoons		#5	[-]
Posts: 89 (05/27/09 5:40 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hawthorn CRATAEGUS arnold black cockspur dotted douglas downy fireberry fleshy redhaw roundleaf washington ,. Whitethorn , mountain CEANOTHUS . There are 100 to 200 species of small trees and shrubs mostly in eastern U S that fall under the hawthorn name. Under the whitethorn genus are 55 species 25 varieties and 11 natural hybrids all restricted to N America , most along the Pacific coast with only two east of the Mississippi . C. CORDULATUS mountain whitethorn snowbush found in Baja Ca and mtns of southern Ca north to Oregon and east to Nev. .What we have here in Il is called New Jersey tea a small weedy plant. Now you are still wondering what is what. The U S Dept of Ag handbook no 450 is where I came up with the info. Library of congress card # 73 600133 Seeds of woody plants in the U S.
Quest for fire		#6	[-]
Posts: 2054 (05/29/09 9:30 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks,that is wonderful information. I will certainly use some of it. I am as sure there are others out there who have different perspectives. We come from, so many walks of life in/on the Planet. It can be refreshing to see life from, the different perspectives. It allows us to see things, we may not have considered. Your information may lead to just that. I have learned much about the HawThorn, in my research on it. Even simply making preserves, from the Haws was an education. There is some talk of making a poultice good for arthritis from the roots. That is another thing, I would like to know more about. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LongFletch those walking sticks are great. Is that Celtic knotwork? Kevin Last Edited By: Quest for fire 05/29/09 10:18 AM. Edited 2 times.

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