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KeganTheCaveman	Elephant bow?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 169 (05/12/09 12:37 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What sort of bow and arrow would be needed for an elephant? I know native Africans used both poisoned arrows and really strong bows, Howard Hill used a 115# bamboo laminate and 1400 grain arrow, but I've heard that Fred Bear used a 75# bow (but I can't find anything about it). What sort of wooden bow and arrow would be needed to kill an elephant with a chest shot (no poison)? Sorry if this is too foolish. I'm just really curious.
wolfsire		#1	[-]
Posts: 1068 (05/12/09 3:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is hard to find info on them, but I've seen a few different reports about using a footbow to hunt elephants. I have no idea what the weight would be. The principle is also used to acheive the farthest flight. A big atlatl and dart might be easier, though you'd have to get closer. Steve
Dauntless		#2	[-]
Posts: 292 (05/12/09 4:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd go with the atl atl too or anything with a Clovis point. You would need something heavy and sharp to go through elephant hide.
KsSidewinder		#3	[-]
Posts: 944 (05/12/09 4:37 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Kegan, I would ask Dr Ed Ashby. If he does'nt know personally he will know someone that has done it and what type of tackle they used. I have had a number of correspondance with him and he is nice man and very helpful. If you want his contact info then PM me and I will forward it to you. Danny "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears" God
toxophileken		#4	[-]
Posts: 7688 (05/12/09 9:10 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just make sure you don't hit a rib... You know what that black stuff is between elphants' toes? Slow hunters! Ok, according to Fred Bear the Biography of an Outdoorsman, by Kroll (ISBN 0961948019), pages 219-223, Bear shot his four ton bull elephant in Mozambique from about 40 yards with a 70# recurve, using a nearly 2 ounce arrow tipped with a standard four blade Bear Razorhead broadhead. Bear upped the weight of the arrow by slipping an aluminum shaft into a fiber glass shaft. The arrow nearly disappeared into the elephant's side, getting about 24" of penetration. Ken
wolfsire		#5	[-]
Posts: 1072 (05/12/09 9:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dauntless wrote: I'd go with the atl atl too or anything with a Clovis point. You would need something heavy and sharp to go through elephant hide. Big o clovis on a 9' 16oz dart from above could make for some extra thick bacon and sausage. Steve
Jaro		#6	[-]
Posts: 337 (05/12/09 9:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Liangulu elephant hunters used no poison, but bows very much alike to english high end longbows with weights up to 130#. J.
KsSidewinder		#7	[-]
Posts: 945 (05/12/09 9:24 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Steve, now there is a tasty thought, elephant bacon with an ostrich egg omelat, drizzled in a Kudu milk cheese sauce and garnished with diced scallions. Do you think anyone has ever milked a Kudu? Sorry for the rambling, I do tend to wander a bit. Danny "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears" God
toxophileken		#8	[-]
Posts: 7689 (05/12/09 9:32 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Might be tough... But maybe you kudu it. Ken
zaboomafoozarg		#9	[-]
Posts: 173 (05/12/09 9:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	^^ I see what you did there.
Patrick St M		#10	[-]
Posts: 437 (05/13/09 8:02 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You joke but they do sometimes milk semi- domestic Eland in South Africa. An Eland is a step up from a Kudu and the most cow-like of the Antelope family. You can actually cross breed and Eland and a cow.
fusizoli		#11	[-]
Posts: 186 (05/13/09 8:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If U take a look for Manny's MONSTER hunting set, I think that should be a bow for that. The problem is the eliphant family protect the dead elephant, and from that distance wich should hunt with bow is to short to run away from the angry family (I think)...
Salvador 06		#12	[-]
Posts: 548 (05/13/09 9:30 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I would think the likely elephants that get targeted would be lone males. Trying to take a female, with all the herd protecting her, would be extremely dangerous and probably not worth the trouble. Do you know the full story of Howard Hill's elephant? Its not a nice one.
badger5149		#13	[-]
Posts: 4321 (05/13/09 10:20 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I believ Howard Hill drew that bow back almost 3 ft, That would add enough kinetic energy to make it almost equal to a 200# bow.
toxophileken		#14	[-]
Posts: 7691 (05/13/09 10:45 AM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sal, from all I read you are correct about hunting lone males. Hunters have gotten killed many times, and nearly killed countless times by herds of enraged females (worse than Saturday at the mall)... Hill himself was nearly trampled due to being unable to run away (he had badly broken his leg in a horse riding fall - He was an expert rider but loved to ride like a maniac at night, chasing game). He was saved by one of the Stotler brothers with a rifle (Wayne?)... Ken
fusizoli		#15	[-]
Posts: 187 (05/13/09 10:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	http://www.howardhillarchery.com/the-legends-story-3.html
Pathfinder78		#16	[-]
Posts: 626 (05/13/09 12:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Salvador, I would like to read the full story about Hill's elephant. Buttercup: We'll never survive. Westley: Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has. "The Princess Bride"
KeganTheCaveman		#17	[-]
Posts: 170 (05/13/09 1:34 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks everyone! It's not like I was getting ready to go on safari, I was simply curious (my cousin was in Africa studying to be a doctor- he'd told me of how little provocation elephant need). I'd seen the video (edited it may be) of Hill shooting his, read the info here and there on it, but when someone said that Bear killed his elephant with a 70# recurve I really began to wonder. Sort of to put things in perspective for the hunting I do at home, you know? Seems like the only real reason to use such exceptionally strong bows was more "personal safety" (even though Hill was backed by other hunters with .375 Mags). If Bear killed one at 40 yards with a 70# bow and 900 gr arrow, an 80-90# selfbow with 900 gr arrow would be enough. I'd also like to read the full story of HIll's elephants (he bagged three with a bow, one with a rifle right?)
DarkSoul		#18	[-]
Posts: 370 (05/13/09 3:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Actually one of the professors at my university has very recently been killed by an elephant on the loose. He was watching birds in a wildlife park in India. He wasn;t even there for the elephants, yet was killed by one. Weird, eerie feeling I got when I heard he was killed: I'd seen him a few times just a month before. Moral of the story: be careful around elephants. (I don't even want to shoot an elephant, so I don't care to think about the bow I would need for the job.) (A braintickler for you guys: let's say you've killed the elephant. Then what? Throw it over your shoulder to have it stuffed? Tan the hide? Trade the ivory?) Jorik - respectfully submitted "Sonuit contento nervus ab arcu." Ovid, Metamorphoses VI-286
KeganTheCaveman		#19	[-]
Posts: 171 (05/13/09 3:40 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	... massive barbecue? What do elephant hunters do with all that meat?
toxophileken		#20	[-]
Posts: 7693 (05/13/09 3:53 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	They feed every villager within walking distance... Word gets out, and the people show up for meat. No kidding. Hunters typically feed meat of all game they don't eat in camp to natives in Africa. Other than meals, meat is fed to hunters in the form of Biltong - wind/sun dried meat. Ken

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