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Orien M |
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The glue described in the FRETS.com page is very thick, not quite what you want for sinewing a bow...the sinew contains glue also, so you can use a thinner
mix. I like a mix just slightly thicker than water when hot, but with just enough glue to glue my fingers together when dipped (how's that for a vague
description...
(Eating Jello has started to seem a little weird to me after working with Knox glue so much.. |
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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I guess I had the glue a bit thick
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Marc St Louis |
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Once the sinew is hard you can take the string off. It may still pull some reflex into the bow as it dries some more but from my experience you lose this
reflex as soon as you start tillering
Marc
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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Good because yesterday as I was twisting it, and the string broke
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The Burnt Hill Archer |
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how much reflex has it taken so far?
Walk softly and carry a loud stick... |
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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I'll take some pictures tomorrow, ..........today I trapped the sinew a bit, getting it ready to glue a backing on in the next few days
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French Crow |
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The sinew may need some more drying before a backing is glued on., no ?
Bruno
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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I always thought so too Bruno, but I see people shooting sinew backed bows after a week, even one day ( that guy over on the other forum ) anyway I would still
leave it an other month or so before start the bending process
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Patrick St M |
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Next time give it the inner tube wrap and put it in the sun for five minutes and all the excess glue will ooze out. The sinew will pack down flat and tight and
make it look like you've sinewed a hundred bows.
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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Patrick St M wrote:That's why rookies like me cheat with a backings for covering up poor work, LOL |
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boerneaggie |
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Manny, Pics man pics! Your sinew job can't be as bad as mine. It shoots great and hard but it looks bad. I like it! Can't wait to see what you got.
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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LOL, I couldn't take it anymore to look at that sinew job, and I didn't want to waiste some of my limited supply of skins so I got a cotton backing on
her
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boerneaggie |
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Ha! Put it in a corner and forget about it for till about October. You'll be impressed. Next time I cook up some sinew glue I'll dry a tray for ya.
It's pretty good stuff once you get the hang of it. Plus it's alllll natural.
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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October ???...I was hoping to stat bending it by the beginning of June
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boerneaggie |
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Mid June will be fine. But the longer and drier the better. Just lay it out in the sun as much as you can and dry that sucker out!
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NOMADIC PIRATE |
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It's spending time inside my explorer, that it's parked in the sun, it gets as hot as hell in there
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Chr109 |
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Patience Grasshopper,
Having sinewed two bows this past January I understand the temptation to start working on that bow everytime you think about it, BUT DON'T DO IT! You will be glad you waited longer. What I've found out is that the longer the sinew and glue is allowed to cure the more strength it will have. The osage recurve I sinewed was tillered to 40# before backing, after a month of waiting it weighed 44# @28". I bequethed this bow to my bow as I was hoping for a higher draw weight. I sanded it, finished the details and eventually applied the exterior coat and wrapped the handle. This took some time to get around to. The last time my son and I checked it with the scale on the tillering tree it was pulling 57# @28". I couldn't believe it. Now I have bow envy! |
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rwelch |
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Sorry Manny ,just now saw this thread .Not been on much (divorce crap) .Looks like you doing fine so far .Here are those pics .
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Hide glule as a short open time so you need to work fast.. I count the strands on bundles and divide strands from the same leg sinew or tendon among the two
bundles. I also rotate every other strand so that the tapers balance out. Clip about 30 strands per bundle and match bundles of equal number and size
strands. I use chrome plated spring clips 0 Bulldog that you get in art supply stores. Also rabbit skin glule is very clean and strong and about $20.00.
Superior to woodworker's hide glue which may have bone chips. Sinew glue has too much grease in it. My conclusion is from actually making and using it,
not something I read in a book. If you don't soak the bundles in warm water, ithe dry sinew will soak up too much glue and add unnecessary weight to the
limbs. Too much glue will result in cracking sounds when you pull strung bow first time. Allow at least two weeks between each coarse or layer. A stainless
steel pet comb from pet store good to comb out strands. Lay, brick style patter, starting from tip. Use first bundle on one tip. Then go to other tip of bow
and lay on matching bundle. The glue should not be much hotter than 120 degrees. Strip excess water off drained, wet sinew bundle, dip in hot hide glue and
strip excess glue by pinching between thumb and finger and pull through. Overlap the back unto the belly for the first run down the mid limb. Fill in only
after strands are glued from tip to tip. I put bundle 1A in front page of magazine and bundle 1B in the back page. I use may 20 bundles of 30 strands each
for a 52 to 60 inch bow that has limbs of 1 and 1/2 wide. After two weeks if you want another course, begin as first with tips of bows and meet in the middle
in the handle. Final course will result in a slight crown down the center of the bow. Don't worry about overlapping the sinew onto the edge. Can be
trimmed by sanding once dried. Was the bow degreased and roughened up with a dull hacksaw blade or toothing plane before sizing the back of the bow? Are
there a lot of recurse on the tips? If so you'll need to wrap with rubber strips from inner tube or artificial sinew thread or water resistant bandage.
Be careful in wrapping that you don't push the sinew off to one side. The reverse stringing and tourniquet effect will help maintain some reflex in the
limb. As the glue dries and pulls the limbs into more reflex, the string you have connecting the tips will loosen. Sinew backing adds moisture back into the
dry or season limbs of the bow. There can be cracks on the belly from the moisture evaporating too quickly and unevenly, espceially on juniper, cedar and yew
staves. The Chinese manuscripts tell of boiling big pots of water in a closed room. The heat and steam helps with the short "Open time" before the
glue sets - maybe 75 seconds. As the glue continues to heat it will become thicker. I add hot water from the double boiler or a coffee pot of hot water to
keep the viscoisty of the glue close to maple syrup or pancake syrup. You'll need a bowl of warm water or a sink with running water handy to wash the
excess glue off your hands. I line the kitchen counter or table with lots of newspapers before I begin. Roll up or protect any carpeting or wood floors.
Although hide glue is water soluble, it can peel paint and varnish and stain carpets. By counting the strands in the bundles and matching them from the same
tendon, you'll come out with a properly tillered bow if the bow was properly tillered before you began sinew backing. Once you have waited at least two
weeks between applying sinew, you can put the bow in a hot box or wait about two months before putting a string on and pulling. Final tillering can be done by
either sanding off some sinew or adding more depending on where your bow weighs out. Remember that as the bow cures and dries, it will gain in poundage.
Getting in a hurry and trying to artificially heat and fast dry can result in the sinew lifting up or getting voids between the first and successive layers of
sinew. I've learned the hard way since the '80's. Knox gelatin works great in making thicknener for fruit tarts and a thickner for strawberry
pie. I saw a tube with someone throwing Knox gelatin in his mouth, mixing it around and spitting it out to help haft a stone point on a shaft. If the
primitive would have had it, they would have used it , right? I'm not a big fan or Knox gelatin as you can see. Nor liquid hide glue that comes in a
bottle. The bottled glue breaks down if on the shelf more than six months. Adding vinegar to it can make it dry a little sooner. Save it for fletching and u
se real hot hide glue for your sinew backing. I'll have to do an article on sinew backing or maybe later a bok. I do give classes on bow making and sinew
backing.
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