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Charlie Hatchett	Central Texas Bone Flute	Lead	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/12/07 6:41 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I'd like to ask for advice concerning a bone flute recovered from Pleistocene strata in central Texas. Has anyone seen this partricular style of flute before? cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone129.jpg cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone130.jpg cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone131.jpg cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone132.jpg cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone133.jpg Thanks, Charlie
LennyHarp	Re: Central Texas Bone Flute	#1	[-]
Posts: 722 (04/12/07 3:34 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That sure looks like a piece of bamboo that was a flute. The right end of the second shot shows the grain that appears when a node has a branch broken off. Reguardless what material it is the flute is not complete as it is too short and has no sound mechanism. It looks like it was a flute of the end blown quena, anasazi or sakahuchi style. LennyHarp
Charlie Hatchett	Re: Central Texas Bone Flute	#2	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/12/07 5:59 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for the input. What exactly is a sound device?
LennyHarp	Re: Central Texas Bone Flute	#3	[-]
Posts: 722 (04/13/07 7:02 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Different style flutes have a different way of making a sound. The side blown is like the classic silver flute, an oblong hole at the end. The quena I mentioned is just a notch in the end of the flute where you blow. The sound device is at least 3-4 inches away from the first finger hole. That is just the mechanics of the way it works, if it is not long enough no sound is made. There are ancient examples that show the principle has been followed for thousands of years. Tom posted this link before........... www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/1999/bnlpr092299.html Brookhaven Lab Expert Helps Date Flute Thought to be Oldest Playable Musical Instrument Bone flute found in China at 9,000-year-old Neolithic site
Charlie Hatchett	Central Texas Flute	#4	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/13/07 2:36 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So which side do you think broke off?
Charlie Hatchett	Experiment	#5	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 3:40 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Would anyone be interested in duplicating this "partial" flute to see, if by chance, the unusual arrangement of holes allows the flute to function. It's got six main holes on it's dorsal side, two small holes on it's ventral side, 1 small hole on it's right lateral surface, and a small hole on it's distal end. If someone is interested, please let me know, and I'll take precise measurements. Thanks, Charlie
PaleoAleo	Re: Experiment	#6	[-]
Posts: 12910 (04/17/07 8:37 AM) Founder Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'll give it a try. Why don't you post the measurements (when you have them) here and perhaps others will try too. This will be fun and interesting. Tom
Charlie Hatchett	Measurements.	#7	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 11:38 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Tom. Yeah, it's a real unusual configuration. I appreciate you giving it a shot. I'll take those measurements, and post them in just a bit. Charlie
Charlie Hatchett	Measurements	#8	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 12:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Length- 5.25" from promixal, blow end, to the end hole, on the distal end. There's some tapering on both ends, so I don't know how to explain that...maybe by angles and lengths at the centerline, which is quote above, and lengths on the longest portions of each end ? Or you may be able to eyeball it. Diameter- 1" Thickness of material- Less than 1/32" First Hole, Dorsal side (1 of 6)- Starts 3/8" from the proximal end, on the centerline of the piece. It ends 6/8" from the proximal end, on the centerline. The width of the hole is 1/2", subtracting out the crack. So the overall dimension of the first hole is 3/8" X 1/2". I'll start working on the other 5 big holes. Please let me know if these measurements are clear, or if there's a better way for me to describe the dimensions involved. BRB...
Charlie Hatchett	Measurements	#9	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 12:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'll post this dorsal view here for easy ref.: cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone129.jpg Proximal end to the left, distal end to the right.
PaleoAleo	Re: Measurements	#10	[-]
Posts: 12910 (04/17/07 12:34 PM) Founder Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Charlie, I can see that one end of the tube is open...if you know, is this other end closed or is it just jammed with dirt? I agree that the piece appears to be bamboo or rivercane. The back side of that one end appears to be a node. Either that node was left intact inside (thus blocking one end of the tube), or it was removed making the tube open at both ends. This would be critical to any replication attempts - although if the answer is not known, I can try making two of them - one with and one without the node. Tom
Charlie Hatchett	Re: Measurements	#11	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 12:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Tom. Thje distal end is solid, with a small hole drilled in the end...small hole, like the ones on the ventral surface (bottom). I'm torn as to removing the sediment, ot leaving it intact for any pros that might want to examine it as found. But there is definitely a small hole drilled into the distal end. Charlie
Charlie Hatchett	Second Big Hole Measurements	#12	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 12:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Second big hole measurements: Starts 15/32" from the end of hole 1, and ends 25/32" from the end of hole 1. 15/32" wide, subtracting out the crack. So the dimensions of the second big hole is 10/32" X 15/32".
Charlie Hatchett	Third Big Hole Measurements	#13	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 1:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Starts 17/32" from the end of big hole 2, and ends 31/32" from the end of big hole 2. The width is 10/32" , subtracting the crack. So the dimensions are 14/32" X 10/32". The holes seem to become more circular, versus oval as you progress from the proximal end to the distal end. #4 coming up.
Charlie Hatchett	Fourth Big Hole Measurements	#14	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 1:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Starts 15/32" from the end of big hole 3, and ends 23/32" from the end of big hole 3. The width is 8/32", subtracting out the crack. So the dimensions of big hole 4 is 8/32" X 13/32".
Charlie Hatchett	Fifth Big Hole Measurements	#15	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 1:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Starts 16/32" from the end of big hole 4 and ends 25/32" from the end of big hole 4. Width is 12/32", subtracting crack. Big hole 5 dimensions" 9/32" X 12/32"
Charlie Hatchett	Sixth Big Hole Measurements	#16	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 2:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Starts 17/32" from the end of big hole 5, and ends 31/32" from the end of big hole 5. Width is 15/32". Dimensions of big hole 6 is 14/32" X 15/32".
Charlie Hatchett	First Small Hole Measurements	#17	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 2:27 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Starts 28/32" from the proximal end (blow end), on the centerline, and ends 1 1/32" from the proximal end, on the centerline. Note, there are tapers on the edges extending longer than the centerline. Small hole 1 dimensions: 5/32" X 7/32" . cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone130.jpg Proximal end to the left.
Charlie Hatchett	Second Small Hole Measurements	#18	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 2:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Starts 20/32" from the small hole on the distal end , or the closest edge of the socket, and ends 25/32" from the small hole on the distal end , or the closest edge of the socket. The width is 13/64". Second small hole dimensions- 5/32" X 13/64". cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone130.jpg Distal end/ socket edge to the right.
Charlie Hatchett	Third Small Hole Measurements	#19	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 3:03 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The third small hole is aligned by a line between the bottom edges of the first and second big holes, starting ca. 1/32" below that line. The middle of small hole three dissects the distance between big holes 1 and 2. It's dimensions are 7/32" X 7/32". cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone129.jpg
Charlie Hatchett	Fourth Small Hole Measurements	#20	[-]
Posts: 686 (04/17/07 3:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Small hole four is drilled into the the distal end, outside edge of the socket. It seems a tad bigger diameter wise, but it's hard to get a measurement because it's indented. I'd say no more than 1/32" larger than the other small holes in diameter. cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone131.jpg Please let me know if there are anymore necessary measurements to replicate this sucker correctly. Thanks for your time and skill...experimental archeology in action.

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