Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:01:06 GMT

Flyfsh wrote:
Something that gets my attention is the shape of the finger holes. I have only been making flutes for a few years and have never studied them except just a little about the anasazi because that is the next step in my flute journey. I would guess the holes were either burned or possibly made with some type of hand drill with some type of "sand paper" bit. It is hard to see but dosen't look like any...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Flyfsh) — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:41:42 GMT

Something that gets my attention is the shape of the finger holes. I have only been making flutes for a few years and have never studied them except just a little about the anasazi because that is the next step in my flute journey. I would guess the holes were either burned or possibly made with some type of hand drill with some type of "sand paper" bit. It is hard to see but dosen't look like any splintering from a drill using a stone drill bit.
What gets my attention is...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:14:14 GMT

Quite possibly. One thing I've noted is both the Aymara and Pueblo have a very high percentage of American maternal Haplogroup B within their populations:

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Flyfsh) — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:05:34 GMT

The anasazi and quena embrouhure are close to the same. No choke in the anasazi or quena that could just have been a variation by the maker. Anasazi were closer to Texas and would make since the texas natives could have seen and traded more easly. Here are a couple of links too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Pueblo_Peoples

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:48:01 GMT

Flyfsh wrote:
Looking at the pictures and where it was found I would guess it is more like a Anasazi. I could easly imagine the natives seeing a anasazi rather than a Quena. Reguardless of the style it was a very cool find.
Jim

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:38:18 GMT

lennyharp wrote:

If I didn't have anything but the pictures I would guess the artifact was rivercane not bone - cane instruments are made with that exact choke design to this day in S. America...
I agree with this and he definately replicated the quena style of flute. I have never seen a quena so short and yet have not seen near all there is. I would have to handle your piece to know if it...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Flyfsh) — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:38:44 GMT
Looking at the pictures and where it was found I would guess it is more like a Anasazi. I could easly imagine the natives seeing a anasazi rather than a Quena. Reguardless of the style it was a very cool find.
Jim

http://cedarmesa.blogspot...ral-puebloan-anasazi.html

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (lennyharp) — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:16:14 GMT

If I didn't have anything but the pictures I would guess the artifact was rivercane not bone - cane instruments are made with that exact choke design to this day in S. America...
I agree with this and he definately replicated the quena style of flute. I have never seen a quena so short and yet have not seen near all there is. I would have to handle your piece to know if it was bone or bamboo or cane. Blackfeather does nice work as does Tom.

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:54:39 GMT

"...I just managed to get another interesting note by actually inserting my

pinky into the top hole. It does indeed step up from hole 2..."

Blackfeather

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:08:37 GMT
"...That sure looks like a piece of bamboo that was a flute. The right end of the second shot shows the grain that appears when a node has a branch broken off. Reguardless what material it is the flute is not complete as it is too short and has no sound mechanism. It looks like it was a flute of the end blown quena, anasazi or sakahuchi style.

LennyHarp..."

Any comments concerning Blackfeather's recent comments, Lenny? I'm the type that likes to hear both...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:22:08 GMT
Blackfeather's Replica:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone309.jpg

...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Wed, 30 May 2007 21:33:39 GMT
Totally understood, Tom.

I'm glad you're still interested. And no hurry, I've learned that archeology is very much a field where much patience is needed. Again, I'm just glad you're still interested. I hear you on the panic attacks. Many 16 hour days in a row, going 90 miles a hour the whole time, is gonna stress the best of men out. I think panic attacks are "circuit breakers".

Might be time for a vacation...recharge the batteries?

Charlie

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (PaleoAleo) — Wed, 30 May 2007 09:26:58 GMT
Charlie, I was thinking yesterday that I'd kind of dropped the ball on my experiments with this small flute (I was listening to the recording I'd made).

I'll try to get back to this soon. And there's no need of payment for my time, as it's just fun stuff anyway. At the moment, I'm kind of up to my eyeballs in paleo-projects, and work, and projects around the home. In fact, I'm a bit stressed out about all the stuff I have "signed up for." I came awake about 3:30 this...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Wed, 30 May 2007 05:35:04 GMT

Quote:
Charlie, it would be great if you could upload the Audio file and put a link here.

Morning, Tom.

You were tinkering with the layout of the central Texas bone flute a couple of weeks ago. I want to ask if you're willing to create a replica, as close to the original design as possible. It will help shed more light on the site I'm researching. I'm willing to pay you for...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:21:44 GMT
Interesting story, Dabbler.

Thanks for sharing.

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Dabbler67) — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:57:46 GMT
I had an uncle who made and used a similar river cane flute when I was young. he died when I was 7, so I asked my Grandmother about it.
He was taught by an elderly Cherokee man, the node should be intact with a small hole in the center. The fingers of one hand were used to cover and open the slits between the holes, the fingers of the other hand went over the holes.
If I remember right it made a truely frightning sound. Grandma said Bob and the man he learned from were the only two...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:19:33 GMT
Here we go:

cayman.globat.com/~bandst...20Echo.wav

Maybe when you get some time you could record some raw recordings also.

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (PaleoAleo) — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:50:12 GMT
Charlie, it would be great if you could upload the Audio file and put a link here.

I'll keep messing around with this idea for certain. I'm having fun.

Tom

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:56:29 GMT
Afternoon, Tom.

The audio sounds very cool!! And mysterious. Do You want me to upload it and post a link?

You might be right about the mouthpiece: That would allow the necessary distance between the sound device and first hole (As Lenny pointed out in the beginning). It would be interesting to test if the piece will work without a mouthpiece with the...

Re: Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (PaleoAleo) — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:39:53 GMT
I'm scouring the web and learning a bunch about small flutes and aerophones. Here's a great link to a S. American bone flute (got to scroll down a bit):

www.dolsenmusic.com/advocacy/Warao/Warao%20Indians/warao_indians_venezuela%202004.html

Aside from the general design, this sentence caught my eye: "he carves a saddle...

Central Texas Bone Flute

feeds@yuku.com (Charlie Hatchett) — Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 GMT
I'd like to ask for advice concerning a bone flute recovered from Pleistocene strata in central Texas. Has anyone seen this partricular style of flute before?

cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone129.jpg